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strangest poker hand of the night.

sitting on 1/2. UTG calls. guy after calls. i look down at KK and raise to $15. call call call call. a couple hours before, having so many people call would have been unusual because the table was fairly tight, but it had loosened up just prior. i was still surprised.

flop comes 345 rainbow. first to act (BB) checks. female who called in early position bets $25. person after raises to $50. i think on it. $50 raiser has about $150 behind him. i feel like i've been outflopped, but he could be doing that with a wide range of hands, so i decide i'm going to raise to isolate him, and if he outflopped me, so be it. i raise to $150 which would puts him all in.

folds go to guy in BB. he thinks for a bit and calls. he's had a history of chasing flushes and straights, i put him on either a 2 or a 6. the female, who has had somewhat loose preflop tendencies but very tight postflop tendencies, thinks for a long time and then *also* calls. $50 reraiser calls all in.

before the turn even comes out, i figure that i am absolutely fucked. BB has a draw probably, all in guy maybe has JJ or better, but i now put the female on a set, and feel incredibly uncomfortable that my kings are no longer any good.

turn comes a 2. oy. BB checks. female checks. that card is just not good for me - now not only am i probably behind the female, now there's a chance that the BB hit his 6 high straight. neither of them have enough money for me to push them out of the pot with a strong bluff (i have them covered), and i could be walking into a trap. i check.

river comes an ace. BB checks and has a look that makes me suddenly change my mind that he doesn't have a 6, he had an ace and is now countefeited. female checks. i think for a second about pushing but then decide that that's not going to push anyone out of the pot and i could have read the BB wrong and he's still trapping with a 6. i check.

BB had A7. flopped a double gutter. female had 34, flopped bottom two pair. $50 reraiser had 35, flopped top bottom pair.

four way chop in which my strong overpair was in last place by the turn. oy.

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May. 3rd, 2010 01:08 am (UTC)
That's more than just a little loose preflop on that table, haha.
May. 3rd, 2010 02:04 am (UTC)
I think your raise is a mistake. Initial raiser has an overpair or some combination of draw+pair, or some strong draw, anything is possible with this range.

Re-raiser has two-pair or better. I think you are trailing here.

I think you should fold on the flop.
May. 3rd, 2010 03:15 am (UTC)
i felt okay about it just because the female had a tendency to put out small feeler bets and then fold to any raises. I felt that given the board, the reraiser could have done it with any sort of overpair, even as low as 88, and against that i'm only beat by AA, a set, or a weird two pair. i was worried that i was beat by him, but i was ready to go in with him. i was totally thrown by getting two other callers when i was sure i was going to isolate, and when the 2 came out, after some thought, i was totally done with the hand.
May. 3rd, 2010 12:18 pm (UTC)
Remember the fundamental theorem of low stakes poker.

If someone re-raises a bet, or calls and leads out on the next street for half the pot or more, assume two pair or better.

$25 is not much of a bet, but usually the sort of people who bet for information will bet less (because they are so bad that they do not understand basic bet sizing) or will bet that amount in later position (when they think they can steal the pot).

I don't think the re-raiser has a single pair hand. Possibly AA, because people can't fold AA. I think you would see 88 call.
May. 3rd, 2010 12:21 pm (UTC)
Note that if there was no re-raiser then I think you should raise.
May. 3rd, 2010 02:38 pm (UTC)
gotcha. that makes sense.
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